Deputy Séamus Healy questions An Taoiseach regarding local authority housing and housing adaptation grants.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
This year the Government has cut the capital allocation for local authority and voluntary housing by over €106 million. This is in the context of huge reductions already, from €1.5 billion in 2008 to €585 million in 2013. Recent figures for waiting lists for local authority housing have reached the shocking number of approximately 100,000 or, to be precise, 98,318. The level of social housing building in Ireland is at zero. Local authority housing has been decimated. The local authorities’ budget for house building has been reduced from €367 million in 2010 to a paltry €65 million in 2013. Capital funding for voluntary and co-operative housing this year has been cut by €15 million, from €70 million to €55 million, a reduction of 21%. The public house building programme is almost non-existent and because of this, the numbers on housing waiting lists have increased hugely, from 56,000 in 2008 to 98,000 – the most recent figure – an increase of 40,000 families languishing on housing waiting lists. The Government has abandoned the social housing building programme. This is another reason the Labour Party is at 6% in the polls. It had a proud record in providing local authority housing, but it has done a U-turn on this issue also. What is happening is that house building has been privatised and developers and landlords are being paid, instead of putting the money into building houses. They are being paid through schemes such as the rent supplement scheme and the paying of mortgages over and over again through the rental accommodation scheme and the long-term leasing scheme. In view of the huge numbers languishing on local authority house waiting lists, will the Taoiseach agree that a major public house building programme should be commenced by the Government? Such a programme would provide a major stimulus for the economy, create thousands of jobs, provide badly needed homes for families on waiting lists, reduce social welfare expenditure and save money. Will the Government immediately commence a major house building programme for the 100,000 families languishing on housing waiting lists?
Enda Kenny (Taoiseach, Department of An Taoiseach; Mayo, Fine Gael)
I thank the Deputy for his comments and questions. Clearly, there is an increase in the number of applicants for adequate and proper housing, many of whom are on local authority lists. NAMA has offered 4,000 houses, of which, I think, 2,000 have been taken up by local authorities.
Sandra McLellan (Cork East, Sinn Fein)
A couple of hundred only.
Enda Kenny (Taoiseach, Department of An Taoiseach; Mayo, Fine Gael)
Significant numbers of families are living in very small apartments, which is causing frustration and concern for many. I met the Construction Industry Federation the other day and I am aware that there are quite a number of good contractors and developers who have never been in NAMA and are not in the league of those deemed to be rogue builders or cowboys. The people concerned want to see a construction centre that has integrity, can be trusted and will measure up. This is an issue the Government will look at, but I am not going to confirm what moneys, if any, can be made available in the capital budget for it.
On the live register, there are at least 80,000 people who were involved in the construction sector in one way or another and there is clearly scope for a programme. For example, in the regeneration projects in Limerick and other locations there is a significant amount of public housing being built. I expect the response from local authorities to be improved in terms of the offers made by NAMA. As part of the budget, the Government will consider what is the best thing to do in respect of the increasing pressure from families seeking on public housing lists.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
It is obvious to everybody that the Government is refusing to fund a significant local authority and voluntary house building programme. However, will it at least spare the disabled, the ill and the elderly from cuts and give them some quality of life in their remaining years? This year the Government has cut the funding for housing adaption grants for persons with disabilities and ill and elderly people by €15 million, or 36%.
Seán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
Can we have a question, please?
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
We now have a situation where we have ill and disabled persons who must crawl up the stairs and cannot have a shower or a bath, not because they have been refused a housing adaption grant, but because they cannot even be considered because the funding has been cut by the Government and the money has run out. Does the Government have any compassion for the people concerned?
Will the Government show some common decency and restore the €15 million that was cut from the scheme so these people can have reasonable living conditions in the later years of their lives? Will the Taoiseach at least spare the disabled, the ill and the elderly from these cuts?
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
Hear, hear.
Enda Kenny (Taoiseach, Department of An Taoiseach; Mayo, Fine Gael)
Compassion and common decency are not exclusive to members of the Opposition.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
I hope everybody in the House has compassion and common decency.
Enda Kenny (Taoiseach, Department of An Taoiseach; Mayo, Fine Gael)
This is why we listened to the sad saga of the women who were in the Magdalen laundries.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
I did not ask about the Magdalen laundries. I asked about housing adaptation grants.
Seán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
Please listen to the reply.
Enda Kenny (Taoiseach, Department of An Taoiseach; Mayo, Fine Gael)
This is why we are acting in respect of the people evacuated from their firetrap houses in Priory Hall. It is why the Minister of State with responsibility for housing, Deputy O’Sullivan, and the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government met NAMA last week to discuss—–
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
Every Deputy knows what I said is true. They deal with it every day of the week.
Finian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
Deputy Healy is dead right.
Seán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
Deputy Healy asked his question and I ask him to listen to the answer.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
The Taoiseach is not answering the question.
Enda Kenny (Taoiseach, Department of An Taoiseach; Mayo, Fine Gael)
I am making the point to Deputy Healy in direct response to his comment that compassion and common decency are exclusive to people on that side of the House.
Barry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
He never said that.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
I said everybody in the House should have common decency. That is why I am asking the question.
Seán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
I ask Deputy Healy to stay quiet, please.
Enda Kenny (Taoiseach, Department of An Taoiseach; Mayo, Fine Gael)
It is why the Minister of State with responsibility for housing, Deputy O’Sullivan, and the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government met NAMA last week—–
Barry Cowen (Laois-Offaly, Fianna Fail)
It is a pity they did not meet the Priory Hall residents a couple of years ago.
Enda Kenny (Taoiseach, Department of An Taoiseach; Mayo, Fine Gael)
—–to discuss the question of speeding up transfers from NAMA for social housing.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
Will the Taoiseach restore the cuts made to the housing adaptation grant? He will not.
Enda Kenny (Taoiseach, Department of An Taoiseach; Mayo, Fine Gael)
It is why the programme of voluntary housing and building takes into account many of the people Deputy Healy mentioned.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
Are ill and elderly people going to have to—–
Seán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
I ask Deputy Healy to stay quiet.
John Halligan (Waterford, Independent)
He is just trying to get an answer.
Enda Kenny (Taoiseach, Department of An Taoiseach; Mayo, Fine Gael)
It is why, in consideration of whatever limited capital is available for this area, priority will be given to the elderly and the disabled in the forthcoming budget.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
Ill and elderly people cannot get a stairlift.
Enda Kenny (Taoiseach, Department of An Taoiseach; Mayo, Fine Gael)
The Minister of State with responsibility for housing has already made this point very clearly. I cannot deal with the specifics of what will be allocated, but within these constraints the Minister of State with responsibility for housing has already referred to the priorities that will be dealt with.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
It is shameful.
Seamus Healy TD raises the ongoing issue of Fuel Poverty during Leaders Questions today, highlighting its devastating effects.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
The austerity policies introduced by the Fianna Fáil Party and continued by the current Government, despite a commitment given during the general election campaign not to do so, are hitting individuals and families on low and fixed incomes very hard. A survey on income and living conditions carried out by the Central Statistics Office in February 2013 found that one quarter of the population experienced two or more types of enforced deprivation in 2011, the Government’s first year in office. This figure was higher than the figure for 2010. Fuel poverty, which is one form of enforced deprivation, is having a particularly devastating effect on elderly people, the sick, those in poverty and individuals and families on fixed incomes. It has increased in the Government’s term of office, during which savage increases in energy prices have been permitted. I remind the Taoiseach that electricity prices increased by 14.8% in 2011 and 5.9% in 2012 and will increase again in October, while gas prices increased by 22% in 2011 and 8.5% in 2012 and are also due to be increased in October. According to the National Consumer Agency, it costs approximately €1,000 to fill a tank of home heating oil, with the cost increasing by 18% in 2012 alone. These increases could be described as indirect attacks on the living standards of ordinary people. They are condoned by the Government, which has deliberately increased fuel poverty by introducing direct cuts to living standards since taking office in 2011. These included a reduction in the number of free electricity units from 2,400 to 1,800, which was introduced when the Government was barely a wet week in office, and a cut in the duration of the free fuel allowances from 32 weeks to 26 weeks in the 2012 budget.
Seán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
The Deputy must ask a question.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
The Government cut free electricity units in the 2013 budget and increased carbon tax on solid fuel, which will also double next year.
Elderly people and those on low incomes are caught in a pincer movement as they seek to deal with increased prices and taxes and Government cuts in benefits and allowances. As a result, the Society of St. Vincent de Paul is spending €6 million per annum to help people keep their homes warm and lights on. Age Action Ireland, a national charity for elderly people, has stated that people must choose between heating their homes and buying food and elderly people are going to bed as early as 7 p.m. to stay warm or switching off their heating and heading for the nearest shopping centre where they can sit for hours in a warm atmosphere.
Seán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
The Deputy should put a question to the Taoiseach.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
This is unacceptable. Government policies are damaging the fabric of society. Surely the Government must abandon its approach to the elderly and those on fixed incomes by reversing the cuts to fuel and energy allowances introduced since it took office in 2011.
Enda Kenny (Taoiseach, Department of An Taoiseach; Mayo, Fine Gael)
The Deputy did not ask a question. He made a number of observations for which I thank him.
Joe Higgins (Dublin West, Socialist Party)
He asked whether the Government will reverse its cuts.
Enda Kenny (Taoiseach, Department of An Taoiseach; Mayo, Fine Gael)
He made a statement that we should reverse the cuts; he did not ask a question.
Deputy Healy, like other Deputies, is in contact with people in his constituency. The Government is not immune to the difficulties people have to face and has been cognisant of them as we have attempted to make decisions, difficult as they are, to sort out the economic situation. Only this morning, the Minister for Finance, Deputy Michael Noonan, pointed to the need for the Government to reflect, in so far as it can, the difficulties and tribulations people are having. It is not the case that we are abandoning people who are in difficult circumstances to their lot. We have moved from a point where 250,000 jobs were lost in a three year period, Ireland’s access to international markets was blocked, interest rates for Government borrowing stood at 15% and the country had no strategy to deal with these matters to a point where the position has been reversed and 3,000 jobs per month are being created in the private sector.
Owing to the way in which the memorandum of understanding was framed, the Ministers, Deputies Noonan and Howlin, were able, in their early engagement with the troika, to negotiate to have the minimum wage reinstated. In addition, the Minister for Finance was able to remove 330,000 people from the universal social charge in the budget. There was no increase in income tax and no reductions in primary social welfare rates in budget 2012 and budget 2013, while mortgage interest was increased for those who purchased homes between 2004 and 2008.
While I understand the nature of the surveys to which the Deputy referred, a great deal of assistance is available. Community effort in helping people in difficulty has never been at a higher level.
Clearly the biggest debt that most families face is mortgage debt and the Government has resolved to help families that are struggling through a range of actions that are now in place and we expect them to be delivered on. These matters have been the focus of Government and will again be the focus of what we have to do in preparing the budget for 2014 as a stepping stone to emerging from the bailout, to send out that signal further enhanced, if one likes, by the outlook upgrade by the ratings agency, Moody’s, last week which had a direct impact on bond yield spreads. People may not realise these matters impact on the country. As its reputation as a location for investment improves, it impacts on the jobs situation, which is the ultimate goal, being the biggest catalyst to restoring the health of the economy. In that sense as the Minister, Deputy Noonan, pointed out in terms of the budget for this year, these matters are of concern to Government and hopefully can be reflected in the fairest way possible.
Seán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
I call Deputy Healy who has one minute.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
In case the Taoiseach did not understand the question, I will ask it again. Will the Government reverse the cuts to the energy units and the free-fuel scheme that have been made by the Government since 2011? What I have heard suggests the Government has lost touch with reality completely. I am sure the Taoiseach is aware of very important research directed by Professor Goodman of the Dublin Institute of Technology, peer reviewed, publicly funded and launched by the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Rabbitte. That research has shocking findings. It found, for instance, that there was an excess of winter—–
Seán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
It is a supplementary question.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
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I am asking the question.
Seán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
The Deputy has only one minute.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
There are 1,281 excess winter deaths and the majority of those deaths arise from cold-related conditions, such as respiratory illnesses. Crucially that research found that this death rate is among the highest in Europe and even higher than in Scandinavian countries which are much colder in winter than is Ireland. These are absolutely shocking findings that were researched and peer reviewed, and launched by a Minister.
Seán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
I thank the Deputy.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
In view of those findings, will the Government now reverse the cuts to the fuel allowance, particularly its duration which was cut by six weeks? Will it reverse the cuts to the energy units of the household benefits package implemented by this Government?
Enda Kenny (Taoiseach, Department of An Taoiseach; Mayo, Fine Gael)
We have a general policy of attempting to make homes more comfortable, warmer and better insulated. Some time ago the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, Deputy Howlin, announced the allocation of €50 million for that purpose.
I do not accept the Deputy’s assertion that we have lost touch with reality. Very much on the contrary, we engage with people on a very regular basis about the situation in which they find themselves. It is not a situation of their making, but it is a situation that arose because of how our country was allowed to drift. We need to correct that drift and that is what we are doing.
I cannot give a direct answer to the Deputy’s question about the reversal of changes in the free-fuel scheme or energy units in the household benefits package. The Minister, Deputy Rabbitte, referred to this in the energy area. The question the Deputy asked is a matter of budgetary policy and I will not answer it now. As the Minister for Finance, Deputy Noonan, pointed out, the Government needs to be cognisant of the difficulties and hardship that many people experience. While we have a difficult job to do in presenting a budget for 2014, we intend to do that in the fairest way possible and to show in so far as can be done a degree of flexibility where it can be applied. However, I cannot answer any individual question about the budget. That is a matter for collective decision by the Cabinet over the coming weeks.
Targeting of Medical Card Holders
Deputy Healy questions the Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore regarding Medical Card reviews, and the removal of discretionary Medical Cards from patients with Cancer and Motor Neuron Disease.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent): When will the Government stop terrorising the sick and elderly across this country? The Government’s austerity budget of this year has targeted the withdrawal of 40,000 existing medical cards from the sick and elderly across the country. That policy is being implemented on the Government’s behalf by the Health Service Executive. It is not possible for me to overstate the fact that the sick and elderly are traumatised and in daily fear of losing their medical cards. The postman or postwoman, who has always been a welcome sight for the elderly, is now a source of anxiety in case he or she is bringing that dreaded white envelope that states that one is under review and gives the threat of one’s medical card being withdrawn.
Let us be clear what is happening. The sick and elderly are being targeted by the Government to pay banks and bondholders and to protect the 10,000 top earners in this country, who each earn on average €595,000 per year. These medical card holders are being specially and specifically targeted. They are in their 60s, 70s, 80s and even 90s. Their cards are not due to be reviewed. They hold current, fully valid medical cards assessed and approved by the Health Service Executive with expiry dates up to 2020, but they are now being punished to satisfy the greed of bankers and bondholders. Does the Tánaiste think this is fair, and will he do anything about it? Has he or the Government any compassion for the sick and elderly?
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Seán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
I thank Deputy Healy.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
Will the Tánaiste immediately instruct the Health Service Executive to desist from punishing and hounding the elderly?
It has always been the case – I will finish with this – that persons with medical conditions that require urgent or ongoing medical treatment have qualified for discretionary medical cards. That practice has now stopped. Persons with cancer diagnoses and with, for instance, motor neuron disease are now being disqualified from eligibility for the discretionary medical card. I am sure the Tánaiste believes that is unfair also. I ask him to ensure that such a practice stops and that the Health Service Executive is instructed to ensure that these patients get their discretionary medical cards.
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Eamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
There are more persons today with medical cards than at any time in the history of the State.
Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
Tell that to those who are looking for one.
Eamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
There are currently 50%—–
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Mattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
Men.
Eamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
—–who have medical cards. This is at a time when, as we are all aware, there has been extreme pressure on the public finances.
It has always been the case that medical cards are reviewed upon renewal. The Government’s approach is that medical card applications should be looked at sympathetically. The financial circumstances of individuals and their medical needs are taken into account.
We have all had experience of individual cases that, from time to time, have had to be pursued with the HSE about the issue of a medical card, but I assure Deputy Healy there is no targeting of any medical card holders. The Government is clearly determined that the medical needs of persons in this country are met. That is why we have worked so hard to restore the country’s public finances so that we can continue to meet the needs of those who need medical cards and, as I stated, there are more medical cards under this Government than were ever issued in the history of the State.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
The Tánaiste almost boasts that the number of medical cards have increased. So they have, but, of course, that is far from an achievement. That is, in fact, an indictment of the Government. It is an indictment of the austerity policies that have driven employees out of work, that have driven incomes down and that have put applicants under medical card limits that are most stringent and have already been reduced this year. Far from being an achievement, this is an indictment of the austerity policies of the Government and it is certainly not anything to boast about.
The Tánaiste has engaged in the usual practice. He has not answered the question. I asked him specifically about medical cards being reviewed which are not for review and about discretionary medical cards for particular cases. He has chosen not to answer those questions. Of course, that is the usual tactic in this Chamber. The Tánaiste may very well get away with that here in the rarefied atmosphere of the Dáil Chamber but he certainly will not get away with it when he knocks on doors for local and European elections next year.
Seán Barrett (Ceann Comhairle; Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
I thank Deputy Healy.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
I also want to ask the Tánaiste when the medical card income limits will be reviewed and increased. Whether or not he knows it, they have not been increased since 2006. In fact, some of these limits – including that pertaining to travel to work, which is discriminatory towards those living in rural areas where no public transport is available – have worsened over the past 12 months. I ask the Tánaiste to immediately instruct the HSE to ensure that the sick and elderly are not targeted and that medical problems are dealt with on a discretionary basis, particularly for cancer and motor neuron disease cases.
Eamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
It is perfectly clear that Deputy Healy raised this issue to make a political point and a political charge against the Government, particularly the Labour Party.
Eamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
I want to answer it in that fashion. The Deputy says we have targeted medical card holders. He wants to give the impression that the Government is taking medical cards from people. I have told the Deputy that it is a fact that more medical cards have been issued under this Government than has ever happened before.
Séamus Healy (Tipperary South, Independent)
The Tánaiste should deal with the specific cases.
Eamon Gilmore (Tánaiste; Minister, Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade; Dún Laoghaire, Labour)
I cannot deal with specific cases unless the Deputy provides me with the detail. If the Deputy wishes to give me the detail of specific cases—–
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This is Leaders’ Questions. The Deputy can put questions to the Minister for Health.
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